I mean think about this... You take out a 30 year mortgage and depending on your rate you can pay back the loan in multiples (table below is for 30 Year fixed mortgage).
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Now, seeing that, just imagine the repayment plans on higher rates or longer time frames. Crazy!!!
So, yes, debt should be avoided, as much as humanly possible. It's not good, plain and simple.
Exceptions To The Rule
Like every rule or question in real life. The answer is "Depends". I hate giving that answer, it always seems like a cop out. There are places where it might make sense to take on a little debt, but doing so means that you have to fully understand the repercussions of the debt and you should be getting something in return for that debt.
Yes, we are carrying a little debt. Nothing that is out of control. And no we don't own a house, or anything like that.
- Mr Wow's Student Loans - So, yeah. I still have student loans. It's kind of obnoxious, but this is way before I became in anyway versed in the ways of the Financial Jedi. But, that being said, I hit the loans at the right time, and consolidated them. I had some loans from undergrad, and maxed out the federal loans for grad school. And when I graduated, student loans were still variable rates, so I refinanced them and consolidated them for an interest rate of 2.25%. At this point, we could cut a check and wipe out the balance, but I don't really see the need. I can use the cash to invest in the market and just continue paying down the loan at that very low interest rate. We do over pay it every month to knock it down sooner, but again, that's just part of our budget. Had I just cut the check when I could, I would have missed out on all the gains on that money over the last several years.
- Mrs Wow's Car - Sacrilege!!! A financial blogger with a car loan?!?! What is going on here?? Well, the Mrs needed a new car. She drives a lot for work, and I mean A LOT!! All day every day back and forth to people's houses all over the city. She also has to drag toys and stuff with her every where. And she typically has 1-3 interns with her at any given time. Well, her 10 year old Jetta, with the AC not working just wasn't cutting it. She was having to dig around through the trunk to find what she wanted, her interns were crammed in the back. So, we made the choice to replace the car. We ended up finding a killer deal on a recent model CX-5 (great car by the way) through Beepi (the company went belly up, so I'm guessing that's why we got a great deal on it?). But we got a loan for the car, because we could finance the used car at 1.75%. We also used our Chase Reserve cards for the down payment to hit the spending limits. WIN! Again, we could cut a check and wipe out the loan, but why?
She Loves Her New (used) Car. Yes, Beepi delivered it with a bow!
There are some other things that might be ok as well.
- Housing - We are not interested in owning property, at least anytime soon in our area. But if you have read Set For Life, there are a couple different ways to go about "House Hacking". I don't know if mortgaging your primary residence is a battle I want to get into here. But, that being said, taking on a little debt to finance some real estate that might provide some cash flow might be worth while. It's a slippery slope, but the argument can be made that would be a reasonable debt to take on.
The Waffles General Rule of Thumb:
We typically look at debt this way. If it's under 4% just let it ride and pay it down. We do over pay on all our loans, but we don't make any additional effort to eradicate it before it's time. With the market, pushing ~7% over the long term you can use that to your advantage. Now, if any debt is greater than 4% I'd just kill that sucker ASAP!! Yeah, you can possibly still be ok, especially with the way the market has gone recently. But, again, this is why it's a quick rule of thumb, not law of the land.
Just Be Smart
Debt can actually be a powerful tool to shift some cash flow around. But, it's a bit like opiates, good for what it's intended for, bad for almost anything else. If you are shifting cash flow to buy purses and garbage, then don't bother. If you are shifting it to invest or make an otherwise intelligent decision and can get good terms. It's not all bad.
Thoughts? Anyone else carrying some debt?
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Thanks for the comment and keep up the good stuff.
But given the current market conditions, I agree with your points. If (when) we stumble back into recession, I would potentially pay off some of those debts. That said, you could use your cash as a good buying opportunity in the market as well. So many decisions.
Yeah if I need a guaranteed 2% return on my money, I'll start paying everything down, but yeah... I mean I could do it in one swipe of the pen, I just think it's smarter to put that money in the market now... I think it your article you talked about that.
Continuously adding debt is a slippery slope, especially for consumer purchase like cars and furniture. I don't think this is good debt for depreciating assets.
I even stay away from 0% financing. This means I would incur yet another monthly expense. Might not be the best from a time value of money perspective, but in\t helps to maximize our monthly funds earmarked for investments.
When a family member had money issues related to divorce, I gave him my paid-off, safe, car and bought a new one (this is pre-MM). I at least had a 0% loan and after almost 5yrs still have less than 30k miles because I walk & bike.
I'm paying the last of it off (early) this month, just to Get'Er Done and off my plate. I know that I should milk the 0%, but emotionally I just want to be clean with zero debt. Also, I'm seeing you all in Ecuador and I'm afraid I'll be voted off the Hacienda for having debt!
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I'm sure you'll be just fine in Ecuador. Seems like a pretty welcoming bunch. Just gotta have a valid reason for the debt, I'm sure.
If you need to have the ability to invest and save in order to make the debt worthwhile.